Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call
Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org> Tue, 15 May 2007 00:35 UTC
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From: Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org>
Subject: Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:35:46 -0700
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On May 14, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > Lisa Dusseault wrote: >> The IESG reviewed <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft- >> crocker-rfc4234bis-00.txt> for publication as Internet Standard >> and would like to know if there is consensus to recommend against >> the use of LWSP in future specifications, > > 1 This issue was initially raised in the IESG by Chris Newman, > who changed > his Discuss, with a statement that he recommended inserting a > comment, along > the lines that others are also recommending. Unless I've misread > the record, > all other votes on advancing ABNF from Draft to Full are positive > or neutral,. > except for your own Discuss. Is this correct? The issue was initially raised by Frank Ellerman or by various in the DKIM WG depending on how you look at it -- Frank explicitly suggested possible changes to the draft, in his posting to the IETF list. You're right about the voting situation but here's the background: I took on the DISCUSS myself as a placeholder for an issue that the IESG had consensus to investigate further (consensus to investigate what the consensus is). I could have asked somebody else to hold the DISCUSS but this seemed most convenient as long as the rest of the IESG trusted me to investigate. > > 2. The ABNF is a candidate for moving from Draft to Full. Will > removing a > rule (that is already in use?) or otherwise changing the semantics > of the > specification, at this point, still permit the document to > advance? I had the > impression that moving to Full was based on some serious beliefs > about a > specification's being quite stable. Making this kind of change, > this late in > the game, would seem to run counter to that. Moving to Internet Standard is indeed something we do carefully, and of course that means investigating proposed changes to make sure they're appropriate, and setting a high bar for accepting them. I believe that's what we're doing here, investigating carefully. I share your concerns about removing rules that are already in use -- that would generally be a bad thing. However I'm interested in the consensus around whether a warning or a deprecation statement would be a good thing. Thanks, Lisa
- Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Julian Reschke
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Frank Ellermann
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Paul Hoffman
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Tony Hansen
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Tony Finch
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Keith Moore
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Frank Ellermann
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Ned Freed
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Tony Finch
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Dave Crocker
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Eric Allman
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Philip Guenther
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Douglas Otis
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Alexey Melnikov
- RE: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Bill.Oxley
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Tony Finch
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… todd glassey
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Sam Hartman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Sam Hartman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Tony Finch
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Keith Moore
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Frank Ellermann
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Tony Finch
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Sam Hartman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Sam Hartman
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Tony Finch
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Sam Hartman
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Lisa Dusseault
- Re: [ietf-dkim] Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consen… Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Lisa Dusseault
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Dave Crocker
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Keith Moore
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Frank Ellermann
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call John C Klensin
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Alexey Melnikov
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Clive D.W. Feather
- Re: Use of LWSP in ABNF -- consensus call Dave Crocker