Re: [dispatch] Updated PERC Charter proposal

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Wed, 03 June 2015 14:03 UTC

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This sounds reasonable. Given Magnus's earlier proposal to add 
"...coordinate with...SIPREC...," I don't think any further changes are 
needed in the charter to accommodate recording.

/a

On 6/3/15 08:02, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> I like Magnus's position here and I appreciate him stating it so clearly.
>
> -Ekr
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Magnus Westerlund 
> <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com 
> <mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hutton, Andrew skrev den 2015-06-03 10:42:
>
>         I agree there is some value in exploring the recording use
>         case it is
>         one of the first questions everybody asks when discussing PERC.
>
>
>     >From my perspective there are two ways of doing recording of
>     media content in PERC.
>
>     1. Invite the recorder as a full fledged authenticated session
>     participant that use the normal way of getting the keys to the
>     media as any other endpoint.
>
>     2. The recorder only stores the encrypted media content, thus
>     being a semi-trusted entity to that are allowed to get a copy or
>     be integrated into the central forwarders. At the time one wants
>     to access the recorded content one will have to request the
>     relevant keys from the key-management function, that will also
>     have to have stored the relevant group keys for the session to
>     enable decryption.
>
>     I would claim that the second one is the securer, and enables
>     better tracking of who access recordings of a secured conference.
>
>
>         Hope we are allowed to consider this.
>
>
>     The charter talks about informing and coordinating with SIPREC.
>     This to have an exchange about the possibilities. However, it is
>     not a work item of the PERC WG to specify a solution for
>     recording. I would expect any technical work on solving PERC
>     recording would need to be chartered in the most relevant WG. I
>     think the ones interested in recording should be active in the WG
>     work to ensure that the developed solution do support recording.
>     If there are contention between the goals, then we will need to
>     have a serious discussion. But, remember that we have clear goals
>     of ensuring end to end security, thus compromises to the security
>     model to fit recording will be unlikely to be accepted.
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Magnus Westerlund
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