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Re: [Diversity] IETF Diversity Update

"Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com> Tue, 15 December 2015 14:52 UTC

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From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
To: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>, "diversity@ietf.org" <diversity@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Diversity] IETF Diversity Update
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Hi,

+1 on continuing to allow note-taking to be filled by volunteers on a session-by-session basis.

I beg to differ on selection of authors ' from among the pool of people who are known to them'. My experience as author and as WG chair is different. Anybody can submit individual submissions and become authors. WG I-Ds are selected - typically by WG consensus - from the existing pool of individual I-Ds. So becoming an author is rarely if at all a nomination, but the result of active contributions. 

Regards,

Dan


> -----Original Message-----
> From: diversity [mailto:diversity-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of STARK,
> BARBARA H
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 4:09 PM
> To: Kathleen Moriarty; diversity@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Diversity] IETF Diversity Update
> 
> > > What do you think about having more WG secretaries as a training
> > > option before becoming a chair?
> >
> > Sounds like a really good idea to me. Gives enough time for person to
> > gain experience + give IETF enough time to make sure that the person
> > can make the cut for a WG chair. Bonus point for implementation is
> > that we can do this on a WG by WG basis to see how well it works in
> practice.
> 
> Just to provide an alternate opinion...
> As someone who has often volunteered to take minutes or be jabber scribe,
> I think the idea of closing these jobs to volunteers (by making them fixed
> positions) may have undesired consequences. If "secretaries" were selected
> in the same manner as chairs and authors, I think it could actually make it
> harder for some people to get involved/noticed.
> 
> WG chairs and authors appear to me to be selected by ADs and WG chairs
> (respectively) from among the pool of people who are known to them,
> without any open call for volunteers. At least this has been my experience.
> Volunteering to take minutes (on a session-by-session basis) has been one
> job that people can use to demonstrate a willingness to step forward and do
> work, and become known. The other ways, of course, are to review and
> comment on drafts, and write individual drafts. The advantage of starting
> involvement by minute-taking (as opposed to draft-writing or commenting)
> is you don't immediately make yourself into a target. This makes for a kinder
> and gentler entry into the world of IETF involvement.
> 
> My vote would be to continue to allow note-taking to be filled by volunteers
> on a session-by-session basis.
> Barbara
>

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