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Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis issue: Separating reporting and policy

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 27 May 2019 18:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis issue: Separating reporting and policy
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> Aren't the requirements in Section 8, which effectively say "you need to do 
> this and this to call yourself a DMARC implementation" really a marketing, 
> not a technical consideration? Does this belong in the spec?

I agree that it'd makes sense to remove it, or rewrite it to say it's 
about identifying what you're doing, not about compliance.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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