Re: [dnsext] Fwd: djb on NXDOMAIN/NODATA for non-terminals

Edward Lewis <Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz> Tue, 29 March 2011 16:05 UTC

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At 13:03 +0000 3/29/11, Paul Vixie wrote:

>and that someone get working on an aggressive negative caching proposal?

In other threads I've made statements that lead me to say "no" 
because I've come to believe aggressive negative caching is in 
general not a good idea.

I think being aggressive with NXDOMAIN is workable, though.  Even if 
the NSEC/3's "clip" down the ranges they cover, there is no harm to 
the authority.  This is nothing different from what we already have 
in RFC 2308 though.

There are plenty of things caches can do to be more aggressive in the 
positive space, like pre-fetching, being more energetic in trying to 
validate a response, etc.
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