Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)

Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> Mon, 27 June 2022 15:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)
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On 6/27/2022 11:29 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> I think your instinct is correct, Tim. It’s not an optimization to 
> bypass discussion as part of a call for adoption. By asking us to 
> consider six drafts at once, and discuss none of them, you create a 
> strong likelihood of insufficient review.

+1 - the survey is not a useful approach.

I've been working down the survey (3 so far) and found that I needed to 
provide comments to match up with each of the selections (not easy to do 
in this form), and that I was missing selections for "not yet ready for 
consideration" (which is different than "adopt later") and "don't care" 
(which may or may not be needed depending on whether the survey requires 
me to make a selection - I haven't gotten to that point yet).   I think 
I also want to hear from everyone else so that the chairs' decisions 
actually have some context when I hear them and so I might craft a 
better response.

That said, I could see the point of a) a message with all six of the 
calls, and b) an individual page per each call with all of the comments 
on the calls and the votes - something easier than filtering through email.

Later, Mike


>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 03:45 Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>     All
>
>     We have six documents that have requested adoption from the
>     working group. My opinion is that we send out adoption calls for
>     all of these and let the working group sort it out, but was told
>     that is just crazy. Since Warren loves these poll things, we put
>     another one together on all the documents in question.
>
>
>     https://forms.gle/TVKeokYvnU55eq2x7
>
>
>     We'll run this poll for two weeks and end on the 9th of July.
>     However, we have a chai9rs call on the 5th of July and I'm
>     confident we'll have an obvious clear set of documents to begin
>     adoption calls on.
>
>     thanks
>     tim
>
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