Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors

Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> Sat, 09 May 2015 14:38 UTC

Return-Path: <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074531ACE83 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 May 2015 07:38:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.347
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P4zHns5WnjdI for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 9 May 2015 07:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 405FB1A87A3 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Sat, 9 May 2015 07:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.20.30.101] (50-1-98-218.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.98.218]) (authenticated bits=0) by proper.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t49Ecdmc055543 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 May 2015 07:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org)
X-Authentication-Warning: proper.com: Host 50-1-98-218.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.98.218] claimed to be [10.20.30.101]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\))
From: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAHw9_iLbx_soi1+LaSwMKarLcT1kBCrFdaX8diwMVZp70KeePA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 07:38:37 -0700
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <5596E096-FF44-403B-B904-4756FB65FB46@vpnc.org>
References: <553EBF02.3050703@gmail.com> <CAJE_bqc-T75k3sQZKtAF1VHp49biGn+Es5v5FivNSz5e3oB-Cg@mail.gmail.com> <CAHw9_iL9RLp0jynT0m_D6dGZYhmdonvBC-5ifTdB63eh5gvBeg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJE_bqesFPG6d3UsFmtFRjUBQqfifHkaBMR0sXAaNKuN10HL4A@mail.gmail.com> <CAHw9_iLbx_soi1+LaSwMKarLcT1kBCrFdaX8diwMVZp70KeePA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098)
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/9_h42ZL8hL56Ll9aveuRWCZZOi0>
Cc: dnsop <dnsop@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-negative-trust-anchors
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 14:38:42 -0000

On May 9, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
>> Two more related points:
>> 
>> 1. In my very original comment on this matter:
>>   www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg12614.html
>>   I noted one other corner case, which we might also want to clarify:
>>     On a related note, there are some corner cases which may also be
>>     worth noting: queries for DS or DLV (or anything similar to that).
>>     So, for example, zone1.example.com/DS should still be validated even
>>     if there's an NTA for zone1.example.com.  Again, this might sound
>>     obvious, but I think it's worthwhile.
> 
> 
> I have spent some time trying to figure out some text that explains
> this without becoming really complex and wordy. If anyone has some
> text that they would be willing to send I'd appreciate it...

I'm with Warren on this: I can't think of a way to describe this without going into the whole "actually owned by the parent" dance that keeps being hard to describe for everyone.

--Paul Hoffman