[DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standard
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standard
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2026 at 1:18 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote: > As a process issue, I don't think that DNS64 can be moved to Internet > Standard and at the same time add wording to it that says how it should or > should not be used on the Internet. > > I also don't think RFC 6147 *has* to be moved to Internet Standard at the > same time as other IPv6ish things are being moved up. Because of the > significant amount of hesitancy shown, I don't think it is appropriate to > move the standard up without a revision of its use and applicability > statements. If those are accepted, it can be moved to IS a few years later. > +1 — I'm really not sure what problem we are trying to solve here… It's not like making a document an Internet Standard suddenly makes people deploy it - and, even if it did, we don't actually want people to deploy this :-P There are much more important things to be spending our time on than doing something like this, W > --Paul Hoffman > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list -- dnsop@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to dnsop-leave@ietf.org >
- [DNSOP] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standa… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP] Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet St… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet St… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Chenhao Ma
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Ole Trøan
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Nick Buraglio
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Dan Wing
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Ole Trøan
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Gert Doering
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Tim Chown
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mov… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mov… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … marka
- [DNSOP] (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Philip Homburg