Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-private-tld
Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> Fri, 30 July 2021 18:38 UTC
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From: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-private-tld
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Hi Paul, On Jul 30, 2021, at 14:29, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote: > We are seeing the WG dropping actual protocol work because of these discussions. I now consider these discussions harmful. I think we've seen the working group drop particular proposed efforts for a variety of reasons. I don't think it's accurate to characterize them all (or any of them, to be honest) as victims to some special names obsession. Sometimes the working group just doesn't like particular ideas, and we move on. Harmful is in the eye of the beholder, perhaps. Joe
- [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-privat… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPMoving forward on draft-ietf-dns… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Benno Overeinder
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Moving WG documents forward Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving WG documents forward Василий Долматов
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving WG documents forward Benno Overeinder
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPMoving forward on draft-ietf-dns… Roy Arends
- Re: [DNSOP] Moving forward on draft-ietf-dnsop-pr… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPMoving forward on draft-ietf-dns… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPMoving forward on draft-ietf-dns… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] DNSOPMoving forward on draft-ietf-dns… Michael StJohns