Re: [DNSOP] BULK RR as optional feature

Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> Wed, 29 March 2017 05:42 UTC

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 05:42:01 +0000
From: Evan Hunt <each@isc.org>
To: "Woodworth, John R" <John.Woodworth@CenturyLink.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] BULK RR as optional feature
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 05:01:26AM +0000, Woodworth, John R wrote:
> As far as BULK RRs in this scenario are concerned, there would still be
> two provably valid states as seen from the perspective of a validating
> resolver.

But one is "this record exists" and the other is "this record does
not exist" (and a whole range of other records, if the validator implements
aggressive negative caching).  Both of these states would be provably
true at the same time, in the same domain, with the same serial number,
depending on which server you queried first and what records you have in
the cache.  I'm nervous about this.

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Evan Hunt -- each@isc.org
Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.