Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry

Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Fri, 04 November 2016 14:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry
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Keith,

On 11/3/16 8:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) wrote:
> This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked at it suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review criteria for IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the awkward ones where the reviewer might come to the list, not all of them.

RFC5226 says about expert review:

       - The designated expert is not required to personally bear the
         burden of evaluating and deciding all requests, but acts as a
         shepherd for the request, enlisting the help of others as
         appropriate.  In the case that a request is denied, and
         rejecting the request is likely to be controversial, the expert
         should have the support of other subject matter experts.  That
         is, the expert must be able to defend a decision to the
         community as a whole.

That gives the expert latitude to consult, such as with the WG. And that 
would be the case even if the expert was an individual. In this case the 
wg itself is identified as the "expert".

	Thanks,
	Paul


> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen
> Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15
> To: Paul Kyzivat
> Cc: ecrit@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry
>
> I intend to.  ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos
>
> I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this.
>
> Is anyone on the list familiar with this work?
>
> Brian
>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:
>>> I'll do it
>>
>> I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't
>> there already some discussion, somewhere?)
>>
>> 	Thanks,
>> 	Paul
>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:azmankin@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ECRIT Working Group,
>>>>
>>>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request
>>>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me.  It needs to be
>>>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of
>>>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer
>>>> (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml).
>>>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!  from your Chairs
>>>> ----------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration
>>>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group.
>>>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.
>>>>
>>>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires
>>>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its
>>>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this
>>>> request for review?
>>>>
>>>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two
>>>> weeks, if possible.
>>>>
>>>> See below.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Amanda Baber
>>>> Lead IANA Services Specialist
>>>> PTI
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Contact Name:
>>>> Frederic Firmin
>>>>
>>>> Contact Email:
>>>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org <mailto:frederic.firmin@etsi.org>
>>>>
>>>> Type of Assignment:
>>>> sub-service URN
>>>>
>>>> Registry:
>>>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels subregistry.
>>>>
>>>> Description:
>>>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type
>>>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This
>>>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type
>>>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service.
>>>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the
>>>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined
>>>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered with IANA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Additional Info:
>>>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered:
>>>> urn:service:sos.country-specific
>>>>
>>>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at
>>>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip
>>>> <http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zi
>>>> p>
>>>> (cf subclause 7.11.1)
>>>>
>>>>
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