Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry

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Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA 'sos' Sub-Services registry
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Keith,

On 11/6/16 8:51 AM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB) wrote:
> So your first action to the request should be to review the request
> against the criteria in the RFC and respond to the requester with your
> analysis, not the WG.

I don't think it is up to you to say what the expert should do to come 
to a decision. The expert is given considerable discretion to consult 
with whoever s/he wishes.

> I would note that CT1 meets in a weeks time, so this gets urgent if you
> want them to consider your expert reviewer postion.

 From 5226:

       - A designated expert must respond in a timely fashion, normally
         within a week for simple requests to a few weeks for more
         complex ones.

The CT1 schedule is their problem.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Keith
>
>
>
> *From:*Brian Rosen [mailto:br@salsgiver.com]
> *Sent:* 04 November 2016 15:32
> *To:* Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)
> *Cc:* Az Mankin; ecrit@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA
> 'sos' Sub-Services registry
>
>
>
> I think the criteria is fine.
>
>
>
> If they had proposed a service in the way we envisioned services, say
> “Swift Water Rescue”, it would be a no-brainer.
>
>
>
> In this case they want to create an escape hatch, country specific, with
> no registry.  This is not what we anticipated.  That means that the
> review will be difficult.
>
>
>
> An expert reviewer is needed.  Alison asked, and I accepted.  I am the
> expert reviewer.
>
>
>
> I will follow the normal process, which includes consulting with others,
> in this case, the entire WG, and responding back through the usual channels.
>
>
>
> It may be that as a result of this request we generate a document that
> updates 7163.  We’ll see.
>
>
>
> But right now, I think we have a workable process that comports with
> established IETF procedures.
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>     On Nov 4, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)
>     <keith.drage@nokia.com <mailto:keith.drage@nokia.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     I would add further that the process is for the Expert Reviewer to
>     send any questions or concerns back to IANA and thence to the
>     original requester, not make a post on the list asking if anyone is
>     aware of the issue.
>
>
>
>     I would stress that any response in this case would need to be based
>     on 3GPP CT1 discussion of the response to the IANA registration
>     requestion, and possibly amendment of the IANA registration section
>     of the referenced specification.
>
>
>
>     Keith
>
>
>
>     *From:* Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Drage,
>     Keith (Nokia - GB)
>     *Sent:* 04 November 2016 14:55
>     *To:* Az Mankin
>     *Cc:* ecrit@ietf.org <mailto:ecrit@ietf.org>; Brian Rosen
>     *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA
>     'sos' Sub-Services registry
>
>
>
>     The process is that the WG should have (long ago) appointed an
>     expert or experts for the registry, and that information should be
>     given to IANA.
>
>
>
>     IANA would then send the review request to the appropriate expert
>     and the review would have taken place without necessarily any direct
>     involvement of the WG, based on the criteria specified in the RFC 7163.
>
>
>
>     Instead this appears to be automatically turning into “Working Group
>     Review” for which there is no such case, rather than “Expert Review”.
>
>
>
>     Keith
>
>
>
>     *From:* Az Mankin [mailto:azmankin@gmail.com]
>     *Sent:* 04 November 2016 13:50
>     *To:* Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)
>     *Cc:* Brian Rosen; Paul Kyzivat; ecrit@ietf.org <mailto:ecrit@ietf.org>
>     *Subject:* Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA
>     'sos' Sub-Services registry
>
>
>
>     Hi, Keith,
>
>     When the RFC was reviewed by the IESG, the Expert Review policy was
>     set to "ECRIT WG or their successor or the IESG if there is no
>     successor."  I asked for this to be on the list (but noting that it
>     has a two week deadline) because of this, and I'm not sure what the
>     concern is.
>
>     Allison
>
>
>
>     On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Drage, Keith (Nokia - GB)
>     <keith.drage@nokia.com <mailto:keith.drage@nokia.com>> wrote:
>
>     This suggestion to discuss on the list before anyone had even looked
>     at it suggests that the WG has totally failed in setting the review
>     criteria for IANA registration to Expert Review. It should be the
>     awkward ones where the reviewer might come to the list, not all of them.
>
>     Keith
>
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Ecrit [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org
>     <mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen
>     Sent: 03 November 2016 21:15
>     To: Paul Kyzivat
>     Cc: ecrit@ietf.org <mailto:ecrit@ietf.org>
>     Subject: Re: [Ecrit] DUE 11/17 - Volunteer for Expert Review: IANA
>     'sos' Sub-Services registry
>
>     I intend to.  ISTM this violates the spirit of urn:service:sos
>
>     I don't recall being in or seeing a discussion on this.
>
>     Is anyone on the list familiar with this work?
>
>     Brian
>     > On Nov 3, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu
>     <mailto:pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>> wrote:
>     >
>     > On 11/3/16 4:56 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:
>     >> I'll do it
>     >
>     > I think it would be good to have this discussed on the list. (Wasn't
>     > there already some discussion, somewhere?)
>     >
>     >       Thanks,
>     >       Paul
>     >
>     >> Brian
>     >>
>     >>> On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Az Mankin <azmankin@gmail.com
>     <mailto:azmankin@gmail.com>
>     >>> <mailto:azmankin@gmail.com <mailto:azmankin@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> ECRIT Working Group,
>     >>>
>     >>> We need a volunteer for the following IANA Expert Review request
>     >>> that Amanda Baber of IANA just sent to Roger and me.  It needs to be
>     >>> written and sent to the mailing list, per the IESG's appointment of
>     >>> the WG as the Expert Reviewer
>     >>>
>     (http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.xhtml).
>     >>> Amanda's message is under the line. Who'd like to step up for this?
>     >>>
>     >>> Thanks!  from your Chairs
>     >>> ----------------
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> The IANA Services Operator has received a request for registration
>     >>> in the 'sos' Sub-Services registry in the Service URN Labels group.
>     >>> This request comes from Frederic Firmin of ETSI.
>     >>>
>     >>> According to RFC 7163, registration in 'sos' Sub-Services requires
>     >>> expert review as designated by the ECRIT working group or its
>     >>> successor (or, in their absence, the IESG). Can you send this
>     >>> request for review?
>     >>>
>     >>> The IESG has asked that expert reviews be completed within two
>     >>> weeks, if possible.
>     >>>
>     >>> See below.
>     >>>
>     >>> thanks,
>     >>>
>     >>> Amanda Baber
>     >>> Lead IANA Services Specialist
>     >>> PTI
>     >>>
>     >>> ===
>     >>>
>     >>> Contact Name:
>     >>> Frederic Firmin
>     >>>
>     >>> Contact Email:
>     >>> frederic.firmin@etsi.org
>     <mailto:frederic.firmin@etsi.org> <mailto:frederic.firmin@etsi.org
>     <mailto:frederic.firmin@etsi.org>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Type of Assignment:
>     >>> sub-service URN
>     >>>
>     >>> Registry:
>     >>> Service URN Labels registry with the "sos" URN Service Labels
>     subregistry.
>     >>>
>     >>> Description:
>     >>> This sub-service type is used before an appropriate sub-service type
>     >>> is registered with IANA for a specific emergency service. This
>     >>> sub-service type is not used where an appropriate sub-service type
>     >>> has been registered with IANA for the specific emergency service.
>     >>> The next level of sub-services indicates the country where the
>     >>> specific emergency service is used. Subtypes below this are defined
>     >>> by national regulation of that country and are not registered
>     with IANA.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Additional Info:
>     >>> The following service URN is proposed to be registered:
>     >>> urn:service:sos.country-specific
>     >>>
>     >>> reference: 24.229 12.14.0 available at
>     >>> http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zip
>     >>> <http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/24_series/24.229/24229-ce0.zi
>     >>> p>
>     >>> (cf subclause 7.11.1)
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> _______________________________________________
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