[Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-as some mail stats

Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> Fri, 02 October 2026 18:34 UTC

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On 2 Oct 2026, at 11:30, Rob Sayre wrote:

> Just drop the third paragraph.

No, for the reasons Viktor has explained best (IMO) multiple times, the 
latest of which in 
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/emailcore/vhhv5S2C60tIRVESAzBs7IBJdCc>, 
to which I have not seen any reply.

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