[Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-as some mail stats
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Subject: [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-as some mail stats
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On Thu, Oct 1, 2026, at 15:00, Rob Sayre wrote: > Hi, > > > Here's the numbers for the last 90 days for some of our lists. I was > > surprised how many non-TLS messages there were. I spot checked and as far > > as I could tell they were all real messages from people I recognized. > > Sure, these are public mailing lists intended to be available to everyone in the world. Fastmail is not available to everyone on the world. From the last 24h of logs we have about 96% TLS, 4% without TLS. Plenty of which is spam of course, but I did enough of a random sampling to see that not all is. And plenty of the TLS email is spam too. Sure it's a small percentage, but it's still a chunk of customers who would not see emails they want to receive if we switched it off. I note that postoffices also don't require postcards be sent in opaque titanium shipping envelopes, even though anyone at the post office can read the scribbled "The weather is here, wish you were gorgeous" on the back. Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd / Fastmail US LLC brong@fastmailteam.com
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Your (Roman's) DISCUSS on draft-ietf-… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Bron Gondwana
- [Emailcore] Re: Your (Roman's) DISCUSS on draft-i… Ken Murchison
- [Emailcore] Re: Your (Roman's) DISCUSS on draft-i… Jeffrey Walton
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Douglas Foster
- [Emailcore] Re: Your (Roman's) DISCUSS on draft-i… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Bron Gondwana
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Douglas Foster
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… John Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Bron Gondwana
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Martin J. Dürst
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Vittorio Bertola
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Dave Lawrence
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Christian Huitema
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] draft-ietf-emailcore-… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… Viktor Dukhovni
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- [Emailcore] Re: FTP, not draft-ietf-emailcore-as … John C Klensin
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… S Moonesamy
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… John C Klensin
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Ted Lemon
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Ted Lemon
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Bron Gondwana
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… S Moonesamy
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… John C Klensin
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… Ted Lemon
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… Ted Lemon
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Your … Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Your … Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Re: Your … S Moonesamy
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Rob Sayre
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… John Levine
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… Michael Richardson
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: draft-ietf-em… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Steffen Nurpmeso
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Eliot Lear
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Douglas Foster
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Richard Barnes
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Your (Roman's) DISCUS… Viktor Dukhovni
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… John R Levine
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Re: Your (Rom… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… Ted Lemon
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… Douglas Foster
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… Eliot Lear
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- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Re: Your (Roman's… Rob Sayre
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… Nico Williams
- [Emailcore] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Your (Roman's) DI… John C Klensin
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