Re: Protocols over Frame Relay
"k1io@FN42jk 16-Nov-1990 0944" <goldstein@carafe.enet.dec.com> Sat, 17 November 1990 04:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: Protocols over Frame Relay
Multicasting is a fairly risky extension to Frame Relay. While it is supported on some FR devices, it's easy to see how heavy multicast use could really harm a network. It doesn't get throttled back like TCP traffic, and has a nasty tendency to grow to displace "real" traffic. Mapping PPP over FR, on the other hand, is rather straightforward. Beginning with the "control" field, after the DLCI, frame relay delivers the PPP frame across a virtual point to point link. It's quite simple. In the event that the network is congested and drops the frame (which is a normal occurrence during "slow-start" cycles), then TCP can recover and shrink its window size. That's precisely what you want to have happen. Bulk UDP is always a bad idea on WANs since it lacks that feature, but Frame Relay is no different from IP itself in that regard. Multicast seems a convenient way to autoconfigure networks, but there are certainly other approaches. You'd have to administer each node to know what multicast address(es) to use. You can also administer each node to know what non-multicast address to use for routing assistance (i.e., the ISIS "designated router"). The Frame Relay standards (T1.6ca, to be precise) provide for three syntactic mechanisms for explicit congestion avoidance signaling too. Unfortunately, IP doesn't yet have any way of conveying that to the controlling TCP. ISO CLNP does have a congestion bit which TP4 reacts to, under the NIST agreements. PPP wouldn't have to be touched if IP were to follow up on that: The congestion bits are stolen from the "address" field (second octet of DLCI, to be specific), which a Frame Relay flavor of PPP would presumably support. fred Disclaimer: Opinions are mine alone, sharing requires permission. On the other hand I do give them out freely at ANSI T1S1 frame relay standards meetings.
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- Re: Protocols over Frame Relay k1io@FN42jk 16-Nov-1990 0944
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