Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment]
Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Thu, 05 August 2010 15:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment]
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On Thu Aug 5 16:26:23 2010, Scott Ferguson wrote: > Dave Cridland wrote: >> On Wed Aug 4 15:33:13 2010, Patrick McManus wrote: >> >>> Benefits of streaming: >>> >>> * Reduced memory consumption on the sender in cases where the >>> message is >>> being "passed through". A service that does a large database >>> query is a >>> good example here - the results can be passed back as they are >>> found >>> even before you know how many there are. >>> >>> >> No, because the receiver cnnot process portions of messages - at >> least with our current API. And you can achieve this behaviour by >> sending multiple messages anyway. > > Of course it can. Browser writers are fully capable of buffering > the frames until the message is complete and then giving the > complete string to the application. > > Right, giving no benefit to the application, which was my point. > The browser developers never complained about the sentinel framing > and it has the exact same buffering requirement. I'm not saying it doesn't. :-) I am saying that this means this is not a good argument for chunking. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@dave.cridland.net - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Thomson, Martin
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Mike Belshe
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Douglas Otis
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Ian Hickson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Patrick McManus
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Ian Hickson
- [hybi] Good arguments (was: Framing take IV) S Moonesamy
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Yves Lafon
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Dave Cridland
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV [why fragment] Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Framing take IV Thomson, Martin