Re: [hybi] Comments about draft-13

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 08 September 2011 12:08 UTC

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On 9/8/11 3:31 AM, Greg Wilkins wrote:
> On 8 September 2011 19:16, Iñaki Baz Castillo <ibc@aliax.net> wrote:
>> So could then the client send WS messages of type "foo" and "bar"???
>> how is the server supposed to detect which subprotocol each message
>> belongs to? This exotic feature would require an extra layer
>> identifying the subprotocol for each message.
> 
> This is not the case. They are ordered, so there is no need for an
> extra layer (just as we don't have an extra layer for extensions, but
> allow multiple ones to be active).
> 
>> Bad IMHO. By definition there is a *single* WS subprotocol on top of a
>> WebSocket connection.
> 
> Fine - as I said, unless there is quick universal support for this,
> it's not worth delaying.
> 
> I think the confusion is due to the fact that subprotocols are really
> underspecified and I'm sure that we all have different mental pictures
> of what they could be.   Unfortunately I don't think we have time to
> work out a single subprotocol vision and then work out if multiple
> subprotocols is useful or not.
> 
> So let's leave it as is.

I tend to agree that such a vision will be worked out through
implementation and deployment of WebSocket over the next few years. We
can't know everything in advance.

Peter

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