Re: [I18ndir] [art] New Version Notification for draft-bray-unichars-06.txt
Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Sun, 01 October 2023 18:29 UTC
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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 11:29:44 -0700
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Subject: Re: [I18ndir] [art] New Version Notification for draft-bray-unichars-06.txt
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On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:56 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote: > On 2023-10-01, at 19:44, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote: > > > > I repeat: To inform protocol designers that it’s insufficient to say > “Unicode characters” for their text fields. And, having explained why, > offer reasonable alternative character repertoires. > > That is approximately the reason why I wrote modern-network-unicode. > Please explain how draft-bray-unichars is more useful for this purpose. > There are a bunch of problems with that modern-network-unicode and your rhetoric here. Firstly, you're talking your own book. It's your draft, and you're presenting it as somehow in opposition to the draft we're talking about. It's not. The unichars document in question doesn't make any requirements. Secondly, I know less about Unicode than the draft-bray-unichars authors, Asmus, you, and James, but I still know more than almost anyone on Earth. I do not understand your document's purpose, even though I understand every sentence individually. Thirdly, it's called "Modern", which is always a red flag. When a document appeals to propriety with terms like "Modern" or "Proper", it just sounds like unrealistic authoritarianism to me. Lastly, we can go right to the way the IETF works: "rough consensus and running code". I don't like everything in the document, in the sense that it tries to make rules a little bit, but it sure does describe running code. Good enough, ship it. thanks, Rob
- [I18ndir] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft… Tim Bray
- Re: [I18ndir] [art] Fwd: New Version Notification… Rob Sayre
- Re: [I18ndir] [art] Fwd: New Version Notification… Tim Bray
- Re: [I18ndir] [art] Fwd: New Version Notification… Rob Sayre
- Re: [I18ndir] [art] Fwd: New Version Notification… Tim Bray
- Re: [I18ndir] [art] Fwd: New Version Notification… Asmus Freytag
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- Re: [I18ndir] [art] Fwd: New Version Notification… Rob Sayre
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