Re: [I18ndir] [art] New Version Notification for draft-bray-unichars-06.txt

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Tue, 03 October 2023 00:32 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 17:32:19 -0700
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Subject: Re: [I18ndir] [art] New Version Notification for draft-bray-unichars-06.txt
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On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:21 PM Manger, James <James.H.Manger=
40team.telstra.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> draft-bray-unichars
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bray-unichars> §3 “Dealing
> with problematic code points” suggests “replacing problematic code points
> with "�" (U+FFFD, REPLACEMENT CHARACTER)” (or signalling an error, but I’ll
> only talk about the replacement option in this email).
>

It's probably not worth dwelling on. But I will get into this one, at the
risk of sounding like a major dork. This issue is already decided, so we
are only describing what already happens:

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/string/struct.String.html#method.from_utf8_lossy

The reason the unichars document should not unreservedly recommend a
replacement character is because that's lossy.

thanks,
Rob