Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Wed, 11 October 2017 19:46 UTC

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Cc: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, ideas-chairs@ietf.org, ideas@ietf.org, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, aretana.ietf@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)
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> The need for a common mapping system has already been discussed for for years in nvo3. With the emergence of identifier-locator protocols, and particularly their utility to provide seamless mobility at large scale, the need for a well defined mapping system has become more evident. IMO this is a problem IETF should work on.

A public mapping system has been discussed in the LISP WG (and many have been designed to compare tradeoffs) since 2009. And before that in the IRTF Routing RG dating back to 2006.

And there was/is a 30 country, 300 site pilot research network run by vendors/researchers/ISPs dating back to 2007.

Dino