Re: [Ietf-languages] LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM

[Johannes Jacobus Steenwijk <[e-mail]>]

To double down, a further specification comes from this article <
https://typologyatcrossroads.unibo.it/article/download/13428/13064/49113>:

" The varieties spoken in Val Badia are commonly indicated as BADIOT (or
LADIN DE ALTA VAL, in the upper part of the valley), LADIN DE MESA VAL (in
this article Lmv, in the middle part of the valley and nowadays recognised
as the standard form in Val Badia) and MAROU (in the municipality of
Mareo-Marebbe-Enneberg, in the lower part of the valley)."

So there seems to be no single term covering all Ladin local variants
spoken in Val Badia, and Badiot does not necessarily indicate the local
variant with major prestige. That could explain why Val Badia is used to
cover the Rheto-Romance language present in the valley as a whole.

Han Steenwijk

Il giorno gio 23 nov 2023 alle ore 07:58 Johannes Jacobus Steenwijk <
[e-mail]> ha scritto:

> Hello,
>
> You can get several answers to the question how the variety of Val Badia
> is called. From <https://www.uniunladins.it/theladinhistory> I get:
>
> Ladin (also known as Dolomitic Ladin) is a Romance language spoken by
> about 30,000 people in the Dolomites - in five valleys around the Sella
> Group, to be precise: Val Badia (with the Badiot, Ladin de mesa val, and
> Marô dialects), Val Gardena (Gherdëna), Val di Fassa (Cazet, Brach,
> Moenat), Livinallongo del Col di Lana (Fodom), and Ampezzo (Ampezan).
>
> and from <
> https://www.provincia.bz.it/ert-cultura/cultura/it/lingua-identita-ladina.asp
> >
>
> il ladino della Val Badia (con le tre varianti: badiot utilizzato nella
> parte alta della valle, ladin de mesaval parlato nella parte centrale, e
> marou presente nel comune di Marebbe)
>
> which translates to:
>
> Ladin of Val Badia (with the three varieties badiot used in the upper part
> of the valley, ladin de mesaval in the central part and marou in the
> municipality of Marebbe
>
> So does badiot also function as a hypernym for the other two local
> varieties in the valley or does it only refer to the local variety spoken
> in the upper part?
>
> Han Steenwijk
>
> Il giorno mer 22 nov 2023 alle ore 18:51 Doug Ewell <[e-mail]> ha
> scritto:
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>> >>      Comments: The Ladin variant of the Val Badia is one of the 5
>> >> main variant of Ladin.
>> >
>> > “Val Badia” is the variant, not Ladin. (The word “variant” in this
>> > Description [sic] field also needs to be made plural.)
>>
>> Looking at this again, the phrase “the Val Badia” can be interpreted as
>> describing the region, not the name of the dialect, so that part of the
>> Comments field (not Description) might be acceptable as is.
>>
>> The phrase “one of the 5 main variant” still needs to be corrected
>> grammatically. (It may not have been clear that I meant the second instance
>> of “variant.”)
>>
>> The page from ladinia.it referenced in the proposal also gives the name
>> of the dialect as Badiot, not Val Badia. The book title “Grafia nöia -
>> Ladin scrit dla Val Badia” uses Val Badia as the name of the region.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Lakewood, CO, US | ewellic.org
>>
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