Re: [Ietf-languages] LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM

[Samuel Frontull <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

thank you Doug and Johannes for your comments -
It is indeed important to clearly define what is meant here. As Johannes
mentioned, the standardised written language for Val Badia cannot be
"assigned" to a (spoken) variant, which is why "valbadia" was suggested
here as a subtag. This is in fact the name given in the most recent Ladin
Val Badia - Italiano dictionary [1]

Therefore, these variants should actually all be registered separately and
subtags should also be created for the standardised written languages. Is
that possible? There is also "Ladin Dolomitan" [2], which is a standardised
written language that covers all the valleys.

best,
Samuel

[1]
https://itavalbadia.ladinternet.it/applications/dictionary/frontend/site_lsi_free/graphic/custom/dictionary_micura_moling/download/introduzione_dizionario-ITA-BAD.pdf
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladin_Dolomitan

Am Fr., 24. Nov. 2023 um 13:00 Uhr schrieb Johannes Jacobus Steenwijk <
[e-mail]>:

> To double down, a further specification comes from this article <
> https://typologyatcrossroads.unibo.it/article/download/13428/13064/49113>:
>
> " The varieties spoken in Val Badia are commonly indicated as BADIOT (or
> LADIN DE ALTA VAL, in the upper part of the valley), LADIN DE MESA VAL (in
> this article Lmv, in the middle part of the valley and nowadays recognised
> as the standard form in Val Badia) and MAROU (in the municipality of
> Mareo-Marebbe-Enneberg, in the lower part of the valley)."
>
> So there seems to be no single term covering all Ladin local variants
> spoken in Val Badia, and Badiot does not necessarily indicate the local
> variant with major prestige. That could explain why Val Badia is used to
> cover the Rheto-Romance language present in the valley as a whole.
>
> Han Steenwijk
>
> Il giorno gio 23 nov 2023 alle ore 07:58 Johannes Jacobus Steenwijk <
> [e-mail]> ha scritto:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> You can get several answers to the question how the variety of Val Badia
>> is called. From <https://www.uniunladins.it/theladinhistory> I get:
>>
>> Ladin (also known as Dolomitic Ladin) is a Romance language spoken by
>> about 30,000 people in the Dolomites - in five valleys around the Sella
>> Group, to be precise: Val Badia (with the Badiot, Ladin de mesa val, and
>> Marô dialects), Val Gardena (Gherdëna), Val di Fassa (Cazet, Brach,
>> Moenat), Livinallongo del Col di Lana (Fodom), and Ampezzo (Ampezan).
>>
>> and from <
>> https://www.provincia.bz.it/ert-cultura/cultura/it/lingua-identita-ladina.asp
>> >
>>
>> il ladino della Val Badia (con le tre varianti: badiot utilizzato nella
>> parte alta della valle, ladin de mesaval parlato nella parte centrale, e
>> marou presente nel comune di Marebbe)
>>
>> which translates to:
>>
>> Ladin of Val Badia (with the three varieties badiot used in the upper
>> part of the valley, ladin de mesaval in the central part and marou in the
>> municipality of Marebbe
>>
>> So does badiot also function as a hypernym for the other two local
>> varieties in the valley or does it only refer to the local variety spoken
>> in the upper part?
>>
>> Han Steenwijk
>>
>> Il giorno mer 22 nov 2023 alle ore 18:51 Doug Ewell <[e-mail]>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>> >>      Comments: The Ladin variant of the Val Badia is one of the 5
>>> >> main variant of Ladin.
>>> >
>>> > “Val Badia” is the variant, not Ladin. (The word “variant” in this
>>> > Description [sic] field also needs to be made plural.)
>>>
>>> Looking at this again, the phrase “the Val Badia” can be interpreted as
>>> describing the region, not the name of the dialect, so that part of the
>>> Comments field (not Description) might be acceptable as is.
>>>
>>> The phrase “one of the 5 main variant” still needs to be corrected
>>> grammatically. (It may not have been clear that I meant the second instance
>>> of “variant.”)
>>>
>>> The page from ladinia.it referenced in the proposal also gives the name
>>> of the dialect as Badiot, not Val Badia. The book title “Grafia nöia -
>>> Ladin scrit dla Val Badia” uses Val Badia as the name of the region.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Lakewood, CO, US | ewellic.org
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