Re: [Ietf-languages] LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM

Johannes Jacobus Steenwijk <han.steenwijk@unipd.it> Thu, 23 November 2023 06:59 UTC

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:58:54 +0100
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Hello,

You can get several answers to the question how the variety of Val Badia is
called. From <https://www.uniunladins.it/theladinhistory> I get:

Ladin (also known as Dolomitic Ladin) is a Romance language spoken by about
30,000 people in the Dolomites - in five valleys around the Sella Group, to
be precise: Val Badia (with the Badiot, Ladin de mesa val, and Marô
dialects), Val Gardena (Gherdëna), Val di Fassa (Cazet, Brach, Moenat),
Livinallongo del Col di Lana (Fodom), and Ampezzo (Ampezan).

and from <
https://www.provincia.bz.it/ert-cultura/cultura/it/lingua-identita-ladina.asp
>

il ladino della Val Badia (con le tre varianti: badiot utilizzato nella
parte alta della valle, ladin de mesaval parlato nella parte centrale, e
marou presente nel comune di Marebbe)

which translates to:

Ladin of Val Badia (with the three varieties badiot used in the upper part
of the valley, ladin de mesaval in the central part and marou in the
municipality of Marebbe

So does badiot also function as a hypernym for the other two local
varieties in the valley or does it only refer to the local variety spoken
in the upper part?

Han Steenwijk

Il giorno mer 22 nov 2023 alle ore 18:51 Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> ha
scritto:

> I wrote:
>
> >>      Comments: The Ladin variant of the Val Badia is one of the 5
> >> main variant of Ladin.
> >
> > “Val Badia” is the variant, not Ladin. (The word “variant” in this
> > Description [sic] field also needs to be made plural.)
>
> Looking at this again, the phrase “the Val Badia” can be interpreted as
> describing the region, not the name of the dialect, so that part of the
> Comments field (not Description) might be acceptable as is.
>
> The phrase “one of the 5 main variant” still needs to be corrected
> grammatically. (It may not have been clear that I meant the second instance
> of “variant.”)
>
> The page from ladinia.it referenced in the proposal also gives the name
> of the dialect as Badiot, not Val Badia. The book title “Grafia nöia -
> Ladin scrit dla Val Badia” uses Val Badia as the name of the region.
>
> --
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