Re: 10 a.m.

[Ted Lemon <[e-mail]>]

Nope, that's not soon enough.   Peoples' flights are often booked by then
(mine was).

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Alia Atlas <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Ted,
>
> It was announced on June 17 when the preliminary agenda was sent out.
> Since that is when one
> looks to figure out when sessions might be, it seemed appropriate.
>
> "NOTE: We are continuing the experiment to have sessions begin at 10:00
> based on positive community feedback."
>
> Regards,
> Alia
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Ted Lemon <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> My experience of this was that I heard at the plenary that it was popular
>> and that we would try it again, but did not hear a proposal for when
>> (although I may be misremembering that).   And then when I found out about
>> it on the agenda, it was news to me.   And I'd bought my tickets assuming a
>> 9am meeting start time and assuming I wouldn't be able to make the last
>> meeting on Friday, and then realized I wouldn't be able to stay for the
>> whole first meeting either.
>>
>> So on the one hand, I think this was pre-discussed.   But on the other
>> hand, the messaging wasn't sufficiently effective _for me_.   I just looked
>> in the registration announcement and the "meeting information"
>> announcement, and there's nothing there.   The first I noticed it was when
>> I looked at the preliminary agenda.
>>
>> I am painfully well acquainted with the vicissitudes of IESG life, so I
>> feel it would be churlish to point fingers, but I will say that if we do
>> this again, the information should be at the top of both those
>> announcements in large, friendly letters.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Tim Chown <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I share Brian’s concern on this.
>>>
>>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 14:10, Alia Atlas <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> In Buenos Aires, the dinner times are substantially later and the
>>> schedule was
>>> adjusted to accommodate local conditions.  There was a lot of positive
>>> feedback
>>> about the later starting time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Was this one of the questions in the post-meeting survey, and if so what
>>> was the result?
>>>
>>> I'm sure you remember the Paris meeting where the IETF tried a different
>>> evening
>>> schedule & it was very popular.
>>>
>>> So, in response to the feedback and as an experiment, the starting time
>>> is later.
>>> I believe Alexa included that this was an experiment in announcements.
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not against experiments, but I don’t recall any open list discussion
>>> on conducting it, which would have been nice to have, or did that happen?
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alia
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
>>> [e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Where do I find the discussion and subsequent rough consensus to switch
>>>> the
>>>> starting time of the IETF f2f meeting days to 10 a.m.?
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm concerned that is a big mistake, wasting an hour every day
>>>> and making it (even more) difficult to relax in the evenings.
>>>>
>>>> (If there is some local peculiarity in Buenos Aires and Berlin that
>>>> makes
>>>> this more practical, it would be interesting to know.)
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>    Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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