Re: 10 a.m.
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Mon, 11 July 2016 16:13 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 09:12:57 -0700
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Subject: Re: 10 a.m.
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I think for Americans (either continent) the later start time will be slightly more comfortable anyway, so it's a good thing. And experiments always trip over issues. I do not oppose this change, and I definitely don't want to beat anybody up about it. My remark earlier was simply to the point that the IESG should publicize the start time in announcements prior to the announcement of the agenda so people have more time to plan. I personally don't think I'll get caught by this again--I usually stay Friday night anyway, but this IETF I decided to roll the dice to get an extra day in Paris. Next time that idea pops into my mind, I'll take the later (more expensive) flight. :) On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> wrote: > Brian, > > My point with the Paris meeting was that after IETF 63, folks really liked > not > having to come back to an evening session - and now we don't. > > Personally, I'm up late anyway chatting - so getting an extra hour to > sleep was > quite nice. > > Alia > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Brian E Carpenter < > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Alia, thanks for responding. >> On 12/07/2016 01:10, Alia Atlas wrote: >> > Brian, >> > >> > In Buenos Aires, the dinner times are substantially later and the >> schedule was >> > adjusted to accommodate local conditions. >> >> Yes, I did wonder about that (and I remember non-IETF meetings in Portugal >> and Spain where a similar schedule shift would have been appropriate) >> >> > There was a lot of positive feedback >> > about the later starting time. >> >> Beats me. As I said, from my PoV it is an hour wasted each day. (I >> understand >> that many people have breakfast meetings. I have at least three myself. >> But they're simply going to start an hour later; no win there.) >> >> > I'm sure you remember the Paris meeting where the IETF tried a >> different evening >> > schedule & it was very popular. >> >> Not sure which Paris meeting you're thinking of, but I do recall that >> for IETF 63 we completely rejigged the traditional schedule to move the >> meal breaks an hour later, but still starting at 9. That was designed to >> match restaurant serving hours in Paris. You can see that schedule at >> https://www.ietf.org/meeting/63/agenda-overview.html. iirc it worked >> reasonably well. >> >> > So, in response to the feedback and as an experiment, the starting time >> is later. >> > I believe Alexa included that this was an experiment in announcements. >> >> Yes, but as others have pointed out that was weeks after many people made >> their travel bookings. (Personally that isn't an issue.) >> >> Well, I'll give it a try ;-) >> >> Regards >> Brian >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > Alia >> > >> > On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Brian E Carpenter < >> > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Where do I find the discussion and subsequent rough consensus to >> switch the >> >> starting time of the IETF f2f meeting days to 10 a.m.? >> >> >> >> As far as I'm concerned that is a big mistake, wasting an hour every >> day >> >> and making it (even more) difficult to relax in the evenings. >> >> >> >> (If there is some local peculiarity in Buenos Aires and Berlin that >> makes >> >> this more practical, it would be interesting to know.) >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >
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- Re: 10 a.m. Stewart Bryant
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- Re: 10 a.m. Ted Lemon
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