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Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.

Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> Fri, 13 June 2014 13:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.
From: Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com>
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On Jun 13, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
> BUT! These systems do not use the MIME external body mechanism, because it
> is common for mail servers to reject these messages on the grounds that
> they are too difficult to properly scan for viruses.
> 
> The end result is something pretty simiilar to MIME external bodies, but
> a complete mess from the protocol architecture point of view.

Ouch.   Yet another reason why a flag day may be necessary to improve the situation.

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