Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is implementation, not Internet architecture (was Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.)]
Eric Burger <eburger-l@standardstrack.com> Mon, 16 June 2014 18:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is implementation, not Internet architecture (was Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.)]
From: Eric Burger <eburger-l@standardstrack.com>
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I also wonder about the accuracy of the numbers. They say Apple’s MUAs command 44% of the email MUA market (iPhone+iPad+MacOS). That seems just a tiny bit high, considering Apple commands 40% of all smartphones, 33% of all tablets, and under 8% of desktops. On Jun 14, 2014, at 4:21 PM, ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: >> Ned, > >> On 15/06/2014 02:42, ned+ietf@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: >> ... >>> Some data to support this conclusion: >> [that webmail is not dominant] >>> >>> http://emailclientmarketshare.com/ > >> Hmm. I was curious about what those numbers really measure. >> Judging by http://litmus.com/email-analytics, it seems that >> they refer to a sample of emails that (a) contained a specific >> HTML snippet and were (b) opened as HTML by the clients and >> (c) by implication, had been sent via a mailing list. > > Litmus is a service for people who send out bulk mail and want to track > whether or not it's seen, and when it's seen what client is used to see it. > >> It seems >> very likely to me that the sample consisted of spam. > > Actually, it's unlikely in the extreme. Spammers are into volume, they don't > care about tracking analytics and aren't going to pay a company like Litmus to > perform such a service. But there are a hell of a lot of legitimate bulk email > senders out there who do care about the effectiveness of their mail, and have > the money to pay for such things. > >> I'm >> not sure that the numbers reflect unbiased statistics, unless >> you're a spammer. In any case they don't indicate how many >> people open email in plain text mode (which I alway do if >> possible, precisely to avoid embedded code). > > Well, I think it's up to you to show that a significant fraction of the > email-reading public prefers to read HTML mail without resolving any of the > links, and that missing out on that fraction significantly biases such data. > >> That said, they certainly show that one size doesn't fit all. > > Which was the main point. > > Ned > >
- Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Martin Rex
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Dave Crocker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. John C Klensin
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Webmail is implementation, not Internet architect… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Tony Finch
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Tony Finch
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Stephen J. Turnbull
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Joe Abley
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. John C Klensin
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Miles Fidelman
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… ned+ietf
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Dave Crocker
- email client popularity [was Webmail is implement… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… ned+ietf
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Brandon Long
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Eric Burger
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… ned+ietf
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Stephen Casner
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Ted Lemon
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Tony Finch
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Ted Lemon
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Scott Brim
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Miles Fidelman
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Mark Rousell