Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet architecture (was Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.)
Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> Sat, 14 June 2014 14:40 UTC
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:40:22 -0400
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
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Subject: Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet architecture (was Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC.)
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Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Dave Crocker <dcrocker@bbiw.net > <mailto:dcrocker@bbiw.net>> wrote: > > On 6/12/2014 6:33 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, John C Klensin > <john-ietf@jck.com <mailto:john-ietf@jck.com> > ... > > (2) One of those changes --support for remote body parts-- was > > incorporated into MIME in its very first version and contains > > most of the mechanism needed to support what I understand PHB is > > recommending for PUSH-PULL-PULL. It has been implemented in > > several places but has gotten very little traction in the mail > > sending and receiving community. IMO, it ought to be incumbent > > on anyone proposing a different "get notification, then retrieve > > mail from server" model explain why their ideas will be more > > successful than that 20-odd-year-old MIME mechanism. > > > > In a word - WebMail. > > This is a classic confusion between software implementation and > operation, vesus networking architecture. > > Webmail is nothing more than a particular style of user interface, > integrated into the operations of a particular service. > > > It is the mode used by the majority of mail users today. Which makes > it rather more than just technology from a deployment point of view. That's almost certainly not true, or it's certainly highly questionable. Two words: 1. Outlook 2. Smartphones -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
- Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Martin Rex
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Dave Crocker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. John C Klensin
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Webmail is implementation, not Internet architect… Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Tony Finch
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Ted Lemon
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Tony Finch
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Stephen J. Turnbull
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Miles Fidelman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Joe Abley
- Re: Change the mailing list protocol, not DMARC. John C Klensin
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Miles Fidelman
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… ned+ietf
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Dave Crocker
- email client popularity [was Webmail is implement… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… ned+ietf
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Change the mailing list protocol… Brandon Long
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Eric Burger
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… ned+ietf
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Stephen Casner
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Theodore Ts'o
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Ted Lemon
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Tony Finch
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Ted Lemon
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Scott Brim
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… John C Klensin
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Miles Fidelman
- Re: email client popularity [was Webmail is imple… Hector Santos
- Re: Webmail is implementation, not Internet archi… Mark Rousell