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Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 11 June 2021 17:45 UTC

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From: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposed ietf.org email address policy
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It appears that Lloyd W  <lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> said:
>Has the IESG considered renting out @member.ietf.org or @supporter.ietf.org addresses as a potential revenue stream? Throw
>in a free github account to sweeten the deal and so that access to discussion is not unnecessarily limited.

Having some familiarity with the mail business, there is no chance
that something like this could break even, much less make any money,
even if it was supposed to just forward mail to other addresses. I
forward mail for some of my users and it is a huge pain between the
legit mail that gets bounced by the target systems, the stuff my spam
filters catch that the recipients actually want, and the spam that
leaks through, they hit the junk button, and I get the complaint.

We're a standards organization.  Let's work on standards development.

R's,
John

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