Re: 10 a.m.

[Alia Atlas <[e-mail]>]

Hi Ted,

It was announced on June 17 when the preliminary agenda was sent out.
Since that is when one
looks to figure out when sessions might be, it seemed appropriate.

"NOTE: We are continuing the experiment to have sessions begin at 10:00
based on positive community feedback."

Regards,
Alia

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Ted Lemon <[e-mail]> wrote:

> My experience of this was that I heard at the plenary that it was popular
> and that we would try it again, but did not hear a proposal for when
> (although I may be misremembering that).   And then when I found out about
> it on the agenda, it was news to me.   And I'd bought my tickets assuming a
> 9am meeting start time and assuming I wouldn't be able to make the last
> meeting on Friday, and then realized I wouldn't be able to stay for the
> whole first meeting either.
>
> So on the one hand, I think this was pre-discussed.   But on the other
> hand, the messaging wasn't sufficiently effective _for me_.   I just looked
> in the registration announcement and the "meeting information"
> announcement, and there's nothing there.   The first I noticed it was when
> I looked at the preliminary agenda.
>
> I am painfully well acquainted with the vicissitudes of IESG life, so I
> feel it would be churlish to point fingers, but I will say that if we do
> this again, the information should be at the top of both those
> announcements in large, friendly letters.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 6:49 AM, Tim Chown <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I share Brian’s concern on this.
>>
>> On 11 Jul 2016, at 14:10, Alia Atlas <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> In Buenos Aires, the dinner times are substantially later and the
>> schedule was
>> adjusted to accommodate local conditions.  There was a lot of positive
>> feedback
>> about the later starting time.
>>
>>
>> Was this one of the questions in the post-meeting survey, and if so what
>> was the result?
>>
>> I'm sure you remember the Paris meeting where the IETF tried a different
>> evening
>> schedule & it was very popular.
>>
>> So, in response to the feedback and as an experiment, the starting time
>> is later.
>> I believe Alexa included that this was an experiment in announcements.
>>
>>
>> I’m not against experiments, but I don’t recall any open list discussion
>> on conducting it, which would have been nice to have, or did that happen?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alia
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Brian E Carpenter <
>> [e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Where do I find the discussion and subsequent rough consensus to switch
>>> the
>>> starting time of the IETF f2f meeting days to 10 a.m.?
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned that is a big mistake, wasting an hour every day
>>> and making it (even more) difficult to relax in the evenings.
>>>
>>> (If there is some local peculiarity in Buenos Aires and Berlin that makes
>>> this more practical, it would be interesting to know.)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>    Brian
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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