Re: VS: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sat, 11 August 2012 14:41 UTC

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> Aihe: Re: [IAB] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm
> Lähettäjä: "Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com>
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> (I'd even co-sign for the IRTF, but I think that isn't really appropriate in this case.)


The "for the IRTF" underscores a possible concern in the current 
situation.

The perception will certainly be that the IAB and IETF chairs' signature 
do represent the support of the IETF.

But we are a consensus-oriented group and we have not had anything that 
even hints at a consensus-oriented process to authorize that representation.

d/

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  Dave Crocker
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