Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Tue, 02 June 2015 21:26 UTC

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On 6/2/2015 2:19 PM, Richard Barnes wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu
> <mailto:touch@isi.edu>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     On 6/2/2015 11:51 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu <mailto:touch@isi.edu>
>     > <mailto:touch@isi.edu <mailto:touch@isi.edu>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     On 6/1/2015 10:16 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
>     >     > Do it.  Do it boldly and fearlessly.  Make the statement and implement it.
>     >     >
>     >     ...
>     >     > Don't be tied to legacy.  Anything that doesn't support HTTPS at this
>     >     > point needs to upgrade and deserves to be broken.
>     >
>     >     Leaving out the have-nots - or those whose access is blocked by others
>     >     when content cannot be scanned - isn't moving forward.
>     >
>     >
>     > [citation-required]
>     >
>     > Where is this place where the entire HTTPS web is not accessible?
> 
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Wikipedia
> 
>     Search for HTTPS.
> 
> 
> This is all that that search turns up:
> """
> Chinese authorities started blocking access to the secure (https)
> version of the site on 31 May 2013, although the non-secure (http)
> version is still available – the latter is vulnerable to keyword
> filtering allowing individual articles to be selectively blocked.
> Greatfire urged Wikipedia and users to circumvent the block by using
> https access to other IP addresses owned by Wikipedia.
> """
> 
> If censors want to block the IETF website, they can do it with or
> without HTTPS. 

But that's not what they DID.

They blocked the activity they couldn't monitor.

Joe