Re: RFC 7168 on The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol for Tea Efflux Appliances (HTCPCP-TEA)

"Rgd.ietf" <rgd.ietf@gmail.com> Sun, 06 April 2014 01:27 UTC

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From: "Rgd.ietf" <rgd.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: RFC 7168 on The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol for Tea Efflux Appliances (HTCPCP-TEA)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 18:27:15 -0700
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Bacterial issues almost seems like policy.  Many users may desire bacterial enriched tea, the protocol should not enforce local policy, though it can present interfaces for policy application.


> On Apr 5, 2014, at 5:41 PM, <l.wood@surrey.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> Look, if the water is not boiling, it may contain more bacteria,
> with adverse effects on health. Boiling water properly
> is most likely to kill that bacteria and prevent infection.
> 
> Boiling the water is best practice, and you should use that
> best practice even though you clearly don't understand why.
> Trust us, you'll come to love it. It's for your own good.
> 
> This is clearly another security threat to be prevented, and
> the IETF's core work and primary focus is on mitigating
> security threats that the IETF created in the first place.
> 
> Boiling could have been mentioned in the security considerations
> section. I see there's no mention of TLS or SHA or authenticating
> commands either - so the IETF needs to set up a security group to
> fix and properly secure HTCPCP-TEA immediately.
> Documenting how everyone must always make tea will also be
> a useful outcome of this group.
> 
> get to it, Stephen!
> 
> Lloyd Wood
> http://about.me/lloydwood
> ________________________________________
> From: ietf [ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randall Gellens [randy@qti.qualcomm.com]
> Sent: 04 April 2014 00:29
> To: Elwyn Davies; Andrew G. Malis
> Cc: IETF Discussion
> Subject: Re: RFC 7168 on The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol for Tea  Efflux Appliances (HTCPCP-TEA)
> 
> At 12:37 AM +0100 4/2/14, Elwyn Davies wrote:
> 
>> We also need the internationalized version to cater for all those
>> excellent varieties of China Tea.  A nice drop of pu-erh perhaps?
> 
> I stopped reading when I saw that there was no provision for handling
> more delicate teas, just as Japanese sencha or gyokuro, which require
> significantly cooler water and shorter brewing times.  I'm not sure
> I'd characterize this as a question of internationalization, since it
> involves fundamental protocol elements and operation rather than user
> display text.
> 
> --
> Randall Gellens
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