Re: Posting and disclaimer (was Re: "Early rebid" (was Re: letters from Ted & Alissa))

[Victor Kuarsingh <[e-mail]>]

Andrew,

( Not speaking as the Nomcom Chair )

I suspect there will be many opinions on this, however I will share mine in
this particular case.

(1). I think within the IETF, we have, in general, had the "hat on" and
"hat off" posture in many interactions with various folks in various
circumstances.  I don't doubt that sometimes it may be particularly hard to
not wear "a hat", but I think as someone who has participated with both a
"hat on" and "hat off" posture, I think it can be done.  I think the more
senior someone is, the more they need to take care that the "hat off" is
really a "hat off" (I don't think it's an insurmountable obstacle).

(2). You have a long history with the IETF as a contributor, Working Group
Chair, IAB member and an IAOC member.  I would be disheartened to see folks
with all that organizational experience within the IETF unable to share
thoughts as in individual based on a job that person may have at the moment
(realizing that the ISOC President poses additional challenges).

(3).  I think your circumstance, given your a history with your IETF
engagement, before you were President of ISOC, creates some differentiation
from past Presidents whom may not have shared that level of participation
as a direct contributor within the IETF.  Additionally, the rules and
structure updates does make a large difference as well.

(4). I would like to see people with experience, and valuable input, to be
able to share that input with the community in a respectful way as to help
ensure we have the widest set of input (of which value can be gained).  As
long as folks do not abuse it, I don't see anything wrong.  To add, if we
have folks in leadership positions abusing participation rules or acting
unethically, I suspect there is a different conversation to be had.

regards,

Victor K



On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 10:24 AM Andrew Sullivan <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> For the record, I'm not exactly sure which hat I'm wearing at the
> moment, but this message does contain a reference to an Internet
> Society policy.
>
> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 09:20:46AM -0400, Michael StJohns wrote:
> >
> > It's pretty hard to not take the above with a grain of salt. You're not
> just
> > an ISOC employee, but the president and CEO and as such have a lot of
> sway
> > over the funding ISOC provides to the IETF.
>
> Ok.  So, there are two possibilities:
>
> 1.  I continue to participate as an individual sometimes, in which
> case I make the above disclaimer.  (See below for why.)
>
> 2.  I don't participate as an individual.
>
> Are you advocating (2)?  I can see an argument for it, but it's not
> entirely in keeping with the IETF traditions.  (Of course, those
> traditions are not timeless, and there might be good reasons to change
> them.)
>
> > I can't remember Lynn or Cathy making a "not speaking for" statement in
> the
> > time they were in your job, but this is the third from you in last day or
> > so.
>
> It was one of the "new rules" we adopted for Internet Society staff.
> I announced them in March:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/Ugu6O_5tCnNzTUmVzIuhNFKPzbE.
> I'm not surprised that Lynn or Kathy didn't make such statements,
> since they weren't operating under those rules.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
>
> --
> Andrew Sullivan
> [e-mail]
>
>