Re: letters from Ted & Alissa

Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 03 July 2019 21:07 UTC

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From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 14:06:34 -0700
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Subject: Re: letters from Ted & Alissa
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 1:59 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:

> > I think there is an underlying structural problem in RFC 6635.  It
> > presents two different views of the RSE and those views have some
> > inherent conflicts.  One of those views is of a senior technical
> > contributor to the community who is expected to both manage the
> > evolution of the series and represent the value of the RFC series to
> > others.  The other view is of a contractor whose role is defined in a
> > set of contracts and extensions and who is overseen by a set of unpaid
> > volunteers.
>
> these are not in conflict, though they seem to be able to cause some
> confusion in the iab and rsoc.
>
> sometimes we have to pay senior professionals.  to do so, we often
> have contracts.  this does not make them fungible or less professional
> and deserving of serious respect.
>

I agree, and I thought my reference to Mike St. John's similar point made
that clear.  Sorry that it was not.

regards,

Ted



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