Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Bangkok
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Wed, 16 May 2018 19:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Bangkok
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I don't see the same problem with things sliding into Thursday because I expect to be in a meeting at 6pm on the Thursday or 8pm if there isn't the social that evening. It is quite important to continue the official meeting through Friday however because if I am going to have discussions, I want them to be under Note Well. On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote: > Thanks all for the feedback thus far. I have a few personal observations > to share (not sure if the rest of the IESG would agree with these or not). > > It is indeed difficult to experiment with both the shortened week and more > unstructured time at once without changing up the agenda too drastically. > Personally I had been in favor of experimenting with just ending the > meeting on Thursday evening, but the feeling in the IESG was that there > would be certain groups of people who might take advantage of the ability > to schedule ad hoc meetings on the Friday. This is easy enough to > experiment with, so it will be interesting to see what happens (and also > interesting to see if there is a slippery slope that extends into Thursday > as Christer described). We also discussed future experiments with > unstructured time mid-week and we’re working on agenda proposals of that > sort, so I hope this can be viewed as the beginning of the experimentation, > not the end. > > There are a few different vectors for enforcing “agenda discipline,” so to > speak. This proposal focuses on the length of WG sessions and will involve > some days running longer than they have in the past (to the point about > “cramming” more sessions in). But certainly focusing on the number of WG > sessions is also possible independently or together with reduction in > session lengths. This has come up before and could be fodder for future > experiments. > > Regarding the hackathon timing, one trend we’ve observed is that we have > people who live near enough to the meeting site that they are able to join > the hackathon precisely because it is on the weekend and does not interfere > with work or school time. These folks tend to be new(er) to the IETF (and > the hackathon) so this provides them with some valuable exposure and > cross-pollination with the IETF crowd without requiring extensive travel > and time away from day job. This isn’t a reason to never move it to > different days but was one reason to keep it where it is while we > experiment with other changes. > > Understanding how attendees feel about conflicts would indeed be useful, > altough I suspect generic feedback (“I keep having to miss 5 WGs where I’m > a contributor due to conflicts”) would be more helpful than specific > feedback about particular WG clashes at a particular meeting, since there > will always be some conflicts for some people as long as we have multiple > WG meetings scheduled at once in the agenda. We can think about how to > incorporate a question in the post-meeting survey. > > Thanks, > Alissa > > > On May 11, 2018, at 9:07 AM, IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org> wrote: > > The IESG will experiment with a new agenda structure at IETF 103. We will > be running working group meetings Monday to Thursday, November 5-8, only. > There will be no working group meetings on Friday, November 9. A variety of > facilities will be available for ad hoc meetings on Friday, including some > breakout rooms available until 13:30 and the Code Lounge until 15:00. > Participants will be able to sign up to use ad hoc meeting space on Friday > starting when we open up WG scheduling for IETF 103. > > The motivations for this experiment are twofold. First, with the growth of > the IETF Hackathon, the IETF meeting week is getting very long for a larger > number of people. This is affecting even people who do not attend the > Hackathon, because other pre-meeting events are now being scheduled prior > to the Hackathon. Second, we would like to provide more unstructured time > for IETF participants. Given that 20-25% of working groups typically > request not to be scheduled on Friday already, we will be experimenting > with more unstructured time on Friday. > > While running this experiment we will still be able to accommodate our > usual number of working group scheduling requests, in part by offering a > larger number of shorter slots. There will be no 2.5-hour slots in the > meeting session request tool; 2 hours will be the longest slot available > for sign-up. WG chairs who want a slot that is longer than 2 hours will be > encouraged to check the ‘Other’ box in the list of slot lengths in the > meeting request tool and explain in the text box that they would like a > longer slot. We will be able to combine slots on some days and in some > meeting rooms to provide longer slots for WGs that need them. (This is > basically just a reversal of the current default, where WG chairs already > can indicate that they are willing to split their slot with another WG). > > We will be collecting feedback about this experiment via the meeting > survey. You will also be welcome to send feedback directly to > iesg@ietf.org or by speaking with IESG members at the meeting. > > Alissa Cooper > on behalf of the IESG > > >
- Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in Ban… IETF Chair
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Linda Dunbar
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Paul Wouters
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Jared Mauch
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Loa Andersson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Adam Roach
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Adam Roach
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Ted Lemon
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Wes Hardaker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Andrew G. Malis
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Christer Holmberg
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Stewart Bryant
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Ted Hardie
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Alissa Cooper
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Ted Lemon
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… John C Klensin
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… George Michaelson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Warren Kumari
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… János Farkas
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- RE: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Janos Farkas
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Michael Richardson
- Re: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Daniel Harkins
- 答复: Agenda experiment for IETF 103 in November in… Zhenghaomian (Zhenghaomian, Optical &Microwave Technology Research Dept)