Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) (fwd)

Leif Johansson <leifj@it.su.se> Sat, 25 September 2004 09:27 UTC

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> 
> 
> Who said anything about necessary state and reasonable timeouts?  I've
> seen more than one brand of consumer-grade box with NAT features that
> could not be turned off, and that even in their most permissive settings
> kill ssh sessions after an hour or two whether the ssh sessions had
> been active or not.

I have one that shot down my ssh sessions after 5 minutes of aparent
inactivity - "Hey this tcp session hasn't seen any pr0n in 5 minutes.
It must be a stalled http. Let's kill it!" This is a *major* supplier
of soho equipment. Moreover it was clear from the support-forum that
this was a concious choice. The question is what effect a BCP from the
BEHAVE-wg would have. Personally I am an optimist.
	
	Cheers Leif

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