Re: WG Review: Behavior Engineering for Hindrance Avoidance (behave) (fwd)

Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Mon, 20 September 2004 19:55 UTC

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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:38:41 +0200
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca>, iesg@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org
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--On mandag, september 20, 2004 14:38:51 -0400 Michael Richardson 
<mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca> wrote:

>     Harald> And - here I am making a real leap of faith - if the IETF
>     Harald> recommendations for NAT devices make manufacturers who
>     Harald> listen to them create NAT devices that make their customers
>     Harald> more happy, then many of these new NAT devices may be
>     Harald> conformant to IETF recommendations.
>
>   Do we really want customers of NAT devices to be happy?

Given that I'm one of them, and will continue to be one until the IPv4 
Internet fades to where I can ignore it.... yes.




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