Re: [Ila] [5gangip] ILA forwaring [Was Re: Problem Statement]

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Thu, 10 May 2018 08:51 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:51:19 +0900
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Subject: Re: [Ila] [5gangip] ILA forwaring [Was Re: Problem Statement]
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On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:48 AM, FIGURELLE, TERRY F <tf2934@att.com> wrote:

> We all support methods so traffic flows like video chat can work but key
> is we all work directly with those ASP’s (Application service providers).
> All of us have special handling of traffic to Amazon, Apple, Google and so
> on. The difference is in the functionality, scale and number of ASP’s
> support where we smoke everyone!
>

Actually this is not a good thing at all. It means that any new video
service doesn't work on your network until you support it. This is pretty
much the definition of ossification of the Internet. It's also the reason
why the QUIC working group is doing its best to ensure that the protocol
provides zero cleartext information to the network, so the network cannot
make decisions like this.