Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)

Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Sun, 01 March 2020 01:54 UTC

To: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architecture? (Fwd: Errata #5933 for RFC8200)
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On 28/2/20 22:55, Joseph Touch wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net 
>> <mailto:robert@raszuk.net>> wrote:
>>
>> >  I don’t care about what you WANT to do; I care whether it breaks 
>> what everyone else expects.
>>
>> I see many folks on this colorful thread simply forgot what networks 
>> are for. To deliver packets in the most robust and resilient way to 
>> end user applications. 
> 
> They’re for delivering packets, agreed.
> 
> I did look at the protocols involved here; the ingress does add headers 
> but doesn’t appear to handle fragmentation.
> 
> That’s a non-starter if you want your packets to traverse a network 
> because people WILL hand you 1280-byte packets, so what will you do?

FWIW, we have been insisting on this point (and others) since they first 
tried to push EH insertion in draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header.

THey removed it from *that* document, but they keep trying to push 
similar ideas in other documents.

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[Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Architectur… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joe Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Mark Andrews
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Christian Huitema
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Dino Farinacci
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Bernard Aboba
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Fernando Gont
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Robert Raszuk
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Phillip Hallam-Baker
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Tom Herbert
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Joseph Touch
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Andrew Alston
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
Re: [Int-area] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Archite… Fernando Gont
[Int-area] [arch-d] Is IPv6 End-to-End? R.I.P. Ar… Guntur Wiseno Putra