Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02 (was Re: IANA changes
Jefsey <jefsey@jefsey.com> Thu, 03 April 2014 14:08 UTC
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At 03:19 03/04/2014, Abdussalam Baryun wrote: >On Wednesday, April 2, 2014, Jefsey wrote: >Olaf, >one of the concern that is alluded to in Abdussalam's mail is the >difficulty to understand where (and therefore what) is the action >and target, with so many lists. The IETF is an ISOC affiliate. ISOC >has a list called "IANAxfer". I think we would need to know if one >of the options that is investigated is the transfer >back/consolidation of the IANA as an ISOC affiliate. I do not >advocate it, but I acknowledge that the ISOC consistency and >legitimacy in terms of international trust are probably better than ICANN. > > >I agree, a society is more about the people and ISOC is giving >chance to people to participate in internet technology. In the >future I think that IANA should be with IAB and ISOC. I think Jon >Postel also wanted more society into that new body of IANA but I >still reading history (not easy to find real history these days :-) Abdussalam, The problem is still more complex. As Suzane Woolf advises you, and all the old timers will tell you: read history, but you note it we did not write it .... and many allude to it in a one sided way that does not help understanding the complications. Let me try to help you from the "reality" side. The NTIA retirement is a cute US move in response to Dubai. The difficult point was internet and sovereign interests. If the US overlooked ICANN other states wanted to share. In removing the NTIA the others' Gov argument becomes void. However, what is going to fill the vacuum? The response is simple: when you remove Executive control, control transfers to the Law and is enforced by Justice. If there is no human law, it is the law of the wild. The pratical process is however not as simple as that: 1. because the dominant law on internet operations is the US law, i.e. not only a national law, but a law at odds with all the other laws for historical reasons. 2. Dr. Lessig's quote "code is law" is to be completed by "law induces code" and the history of the US Datacommunications Law is, and will probably continue to be marked by architectonic variations that can be understood in a domestic context, but not on global markets. It just does scale to globality (and was/is not designed for that). Before proceeding any further toward "actionable and concrete suggestions with respect to the content of the document" as Olaf is interested in (and already acted decisions), you have also to penetrate yourself of the architectonic, hence architectural, hence technical, hence operational, hence commercial, hence political context in order to determine by yourself what is the real issue, what should be done, if what is engaged at the IETF, States, Industry and IUsers levels has your agreement or not. IETF: the main recent move to master is RFC 6852. It is the core of the change. It predates XCIT, which predates Snowden, which predates Montevideo and the Sao Paulo announce that tended to the NTIA annoucement if the NTIA is professionnal, and I think they are. The US differs from the other countries by the fact that, even if projects have been carried by ARPA, datacoms did not began within (or were not initially contracted by) the monopoly. They stated in the private sector and the law (FCC under the 1934 Telecommunications Act) had to welcome them in parallel to the ATT Bell System monopoly it had created (like ICANN) because of an "unique authoritative root" equivalent argument: "the telephone by the nature of its technology would operate most efficiently as a monopoly providing universal service" by AT&T president Theodore Vail in 1907. http://www.corp.att.com/history/history3.html (the whole history is interesting). If you want to understand the networks 1974 context (when Vint Cerf and Bob Khan published TCP/IP) you can read the FCC decision in http://etler.com/FCC/pdf/Numbered/20097/FCC%2074-689.pdf Interestingly there is a Telenet complaint which shows that the context was already highly political: http://books.google.nl/books?id=khwnFtEzTccC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=FCC+Tymnet&source=bl&ots=Rkanow5Akr&sig=pE5RVylqcL53SQPeBZgh77xqDUM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Rks9U7KBMMLuOrq4gdgE&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=FCC%20Tymnet&f=false The FCC Docket 20097 of Jan 1977 http://etler.com/FCC/pdf/Numbered/20097/FCC%2077-34.pdf is fundamental. This was one year before Vint Cerf proposed the IEN 48 (July 1978) project: (1) as a proof of concept of Louis Pouzin's catenet through a TCP/IP global network. (2) to be used to provide neutral interconnectivity to any communication technology. The first target is brillantly completed. This second target, which has never been implemented yet (being blocked by the "status-quo"), compared with Tymnet's "Advanced Communications Techology" features: http://books.google.nl/books?id=hzN_18kVYokC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=Tymnet+ISIS&source=bl&ots=bzDNJnAow0&sig=imdSA6GDlvGVi11ubCbJgZVVuSY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=els9U-eWOMGSO9a6gIAF&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Tymnet%20ISIS&f=false. ACT was deployed throughout the US International Record Carriers and foreign monopolies to build the public international packet switch services (as well as some of the first large corporation or national networks). Tymnet was counter-strategically acquired by McDonnell Douglas in 1983 once the internet was launched. It turned out that it was in order to prevent (rather than to develop as we believed) network neutrality, the DARPA procurement contracts favoring Unix/IP. On the PTT side they favored X.75/25. Tymnet ACT equally supported both and much more, favoring none. The NTIA removal is therefore occasion for the Internet informed Users (IUsers) to become free to complete the Internet project and eventually implement multi-technologogy transparency on top of the existing internet technology. This is the meaning of the experimentation we have engaged at the RFC 1958 assigned fringe to fringe stratum, outside of the end to end fully respected layers. The architectonical/architectural reasons are out of this mailing list context. jfc
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Olaf Kolkman
- [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02 (wa… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Olaf Kolkman
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Jefsey
- [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02 (wa… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Jefsey
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [Internetgovtech] draft-iab-iana-framework-02… Jefsey