RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86
"Hosnieh Rafiee" <ietf@rozanak.com> Tue, 05 March 2013 13:45 UTC
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From: Hosnieh Rafiee <ietf@rozanak.com>
To: 'Nalini Elkins' <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com>
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Subject: RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:45:28 +0100
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Dear Nalini, Our draft http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-02 talks about a solution for securing ND while also considering privacy. You can read this version, however, I will be uploading the latest version on 11 March when IETF is again open for submissions. If after reading it, if you have any comments I would appreciate your input so that I can add them to this latest draft. Thanks, Hosnieh From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Nalini Elkins Sent: Dienstag, 5. März 2013 14:33 To: Karl Auer; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Karl, I definitely agree that ND needs to be secured. Also agree that neither IPSec nor SEND are viable solutions. I do not know if I am missing something but I have not seen a comprehensive document with these problems detailed. I certainly don't have a solution but I have been trying to at least catalog such problems. If there is such a document, would appreciate anyone letting me know. If there isn't, if you would like, we can collaborate on such a document and create a draft for the IETF meeting in Berlin. Maybe v6Ops is a place to discuss this topic. Once many at IETF agree that indeed there is a problem, then we can discuss a potential solution. Thanks, Nalini Elkins Inside Products, Inc. (831) 659-8360 www.insidethestack.com _____ From: Karl Auer <kauer@biplane.com.au> To: ipv6@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 1:37 AM Subject: Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 16:02 -0800, Bob Hinden wrote: > A Simple Secure Addressing Generation Scheme for IPv6 > AutoConfiguration > draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-01.txt > [...] > DHCPv6/SLAAC Address Configuration Interaction Problem Statement > draft-liu-bonica-dhcpv6-slaac-problem-01.txt > > We did not think there had been enough discussion or interest on the > w.g. list to guarantee a speaking slot. We allocated short slots at > the end of the session if there is time before the meeting ends. If > anyone (other than the authors) think one of these should be given > more time, please speak up. For what it's worth it seems to me that there is a gaping hole around securing ND. IPSec is obviously ridiculous, SEND is only marginally less ridiculous. Maybe SSAS is a way forward? Or maybe noone else thinks ND needs to be secured? Maybe the meeting could attempt to gauge whether this is actually a real problem. I think it is, and I urge others to speak up if they too think this should be pursued. If there is a priority to these things, then sorting out the perceived and actual discrepancies\ and ambiguities in the meaning of the RA M and O flags would seem pretty important. Otherwise they will end up cemented into even more implementations than they are now. The way Windows handles them is just plain broken, and if the RFCs support that way of handling them, then the RFCs are broken. At very least this topic needs some impetus. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@biplane.com.au) http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer http://www.biplane.com.au/blog GPG fingerprint: B862 FB15 FE96 4961 BC62 1A40 6239 1208 9865 5F9A Old fingerprint: AE1D 4868 6420 AD9A A698 5251 1699 7B78 4EEE 6017 -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Brian E Carpenter
- 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Bob Hinden
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Brian E Carpenter
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Karl Auer
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Ole Troan
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Nalini Elkins
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Nalini Elkins
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Nalini Elkins
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Nalini Elkins
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Michael Richardson
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Mark Smith
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Carsten Bormann
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Bob Hinden
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Bob Hinden
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Samita Chakrabarti
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Bob Hinden
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Michael Richardson
- RE: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Agenda for IETF86 Doug Barton