Re: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-09.txt>

David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Wed, 19 July 2017 13:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-09.txt>
From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
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> On Jul 19, 2017, at 02:26, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 8:22 AM, james woodyatt <jhw@google.com> wrote:
>> If have yet to find where RFC 4291 clearly names the part of an IPv6 address that follows a *routing* prefix apart from a *subnet* prefix.
> 
> There is no name for this concept because it doesn't make sense.
> 
> The zero or more on-link prefixes on a link are entirely separate from any IP addresses the host might have on that link.
> 
> Any address the host has on that interface might be covered by zero on-link prefixes, one on-link prefix, or more than one. Similarly, any on-link prefix may cover zero or more addresses that the host has on that interface.

If there is truly a distinction in IPv6 between a subnet prefix that is pair with an IID and a routing/on-link prefix, purportedly without an IID, that is an important architectural distinction that needs to be much more clearly explained in RFC4291bis.  

In the current text, this point is either way too subtle or missing all together. In fact I believe at least the diagrams in section 2.4, mislead casual readers to the exact opposite conclusion, maybe even some careful readers too. :)

I think it is important to the understanding of the IPv6 Addressing Architecture that this gets clarified prior to moving to Internet Standard, otherwise I suspect there will be continued misunderstanding of this distinction.

David Farmer