RE: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-09.txt>

"Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com> Thu, 20 July 2017 02:14 UTC

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From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter

> But what is needed is clarity in definitions, which is why
> I've been asking what the low order bits in an IPv6 address
> are called in cases where people claim they are not called an
> IID.
>
> (My answer fwiw is that they are always called an IID, because
> once you're on the final link, those bits serve only to deliver
> the packet to the intended interface, so they must uniquely
> identify that interface.)

That's certainly my answer too. But more to the point, I don't understand what other answer could be valid, or said another way, why ask the question?

RFC 4291 wasn't ambiguous about this, was it?


   |          n bits               |           128-n bits            |
   +-------------------------------+---------------------------------+
   |       subnet prefix           |           interface ID          |
   +-------------------------------+---------------------------------+

That isn't limited to 64 bits? It says:

   For all unicast addresses, except those that start with the binary
   value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long and to be
   constructed in Modified EUI-64 format.

We've been over the broadening of the exceptions in 4291-bis, but even as written, the IID isn't constrained to being just 64 bits.

Bert