RE: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-09.txt>

"Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com> Sat, 22 July 2017 23:34 UTC

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From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>
To: Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-4@u-1.phicoh.com>, "ipv6@ietf.org" <ipv6@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-09.txt>
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From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Philip Homburg

> So let me call them 'host part'

So we would be renaming IID in every RFC. Quite a change. And it's not "host" anyway, right? Those bits identify an interface, not a host. So call it "interface part," or "interface ID."

> Basically a 'host part' doesn't have any properties.

But that's not a distinction. I can just as easily give a structure to an IID as I can to any non-64-bit IID, if I so choose. Or, use a pseudo random value if I'm worried about privacy or security.

> You can say it identifies an interface, but that is not the case if
> a 'host part' is part of an anycast address.

Not sure why you make this distinction. Even in the anycast address, these last bits identify an interface, even if one of several possible. It's the topologically closest interface, and others would be identified by the same bit pattern. It's still an ID of an interface, as opposed to being a prefix.

I just don't see why IIDs used in SLAAC should be thought of differently. I mean, the anycast example was always a little weird, but those are a tiny minority anyway.

Bert