RE: I-D Action: draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless-09.txt

["Templin (US), Fred L" <[e-mail]>]

Pascal,

Apologies, I should have presented the URL's in the reverse order and
recommended looking first at OMNI which specifies details of the OMNI
interface and link model. AERO is a companion document that specifies
internetworking considerations for nodes that employ OMNI interfaces,
but please start first with OMNI:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-omni/
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-aero/

Thanks - Fred

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:12 AM
> To: Templin (US), Fred L <[e-mail]>
> Cc: Vasilenko Eduard <[e-mail]>; 6man <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless-09.txt
> 
> Hello Fred
> 
> I fail to understand why you present Aero as an alternative.
> 
> This draft discusses links and subnet models and how existing RFCs can be applied to those models. It is a BCP type of work looking at
> existing stuff and trying to make sense of it.
> 
> Seems that aero is defining new mechanisms and falls in the std track category. Where exactly do they compete?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Pascal
> 
> > Le 18 mai 2021 à 18:32, Templin (US), Fred L <[e-mail]> a écrit :
> >
> > It is premature to propose adoption without first considering the alternative:
> >
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-aero/
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-6man-omni/
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ipv6 [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Vasilenko Eduard
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 9:20 AM
> >> To: 6man <[e-mail]>
> >> Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless-09.txt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> Current ND is not compatible with any Wireless, especially for low power or roaming scenarios. Hence, the proper discussion would be
> >> helpful.
> >> Hence, I propose to adopt draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless in 6man.
> >> Eduard
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ipv6 [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 10:00 AM
> >> To: Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>; 6man <[e-mail]>
> >> Subject: RE: I-D Action: draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless-09.txt
> >>
> >> Many thanks Brian;
> >>
> >> Though writing code and deploying networks is core to many of us, we also end up teaching, writing papers and publishing
> informational
> >> documents in other bodies such as ETSI. It was during a discussion for an ETSI doc that we realized we were missing those definitions.
> >>
> >> But above there's a need to regain a degree of freedom in how we use links and subnets. The lack of definitions leads to overloading
> and
> >> confusion, which in turn leads to confine us within the commonly understood model that is ethernet.
> >>
> >> As we separate the definition of the IP link from that of the lower layer, and separate the definition of subnet from that of IPv4, we
> regain
> >> a degree of freedom that enables us to build IPv6 abstractions over any new medium and build subnets of any size and shape.
> >>
> >> Happy to discuss the exact terms of the definitions.
> >>
> >> Keep safe,
> >>
> >>
> >> Pascal
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: ipv6 <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Brian E Carpenter
> >>> Sent: lundi 17 mai 2021 23:55
> >>> To: 6man <[e-mail]>
> >>> Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless-09.txt
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> IMHO this draft now includes some important new material, namely
> >>> definitions of two terms "IP Link" and "IP Subnet" (at
> >>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless-
> >>> 09.html#name-terminology ). While I'm not sure yet that I completely
> >>> agree with the text, I think the topic is very important, since the
> >>> previous doctrine has effectively been that all "links" behave like
> >>> Ethernet. And, by the way, the socket API incorporates that doctrine.
> >>>
> >>> (This is something that gave us quite a lot of angst in ANIMA,
> >>> especially in clarifying the "link" model in the Autonomic Control
> >>> Plane, since we depend on link-local multicast.)
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>   Brian
> >>>
> >>> On 18-May-21 02:45, [e-mail] wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> >>> directories.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>        Title           : IPv6 Neighbor Discovery on Wireless Networks
> >>>>        Author          : Pascal Thubert
> >>>>    Filename        : draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireless-09.txt
> >>>>    Pages           : 25
> >>>>    Date            : 2021-05-17
> >>>>
> >>>> Abstract:
> >>>>   This document describes how the original IPv6 Neighbor Discovery
> >>> and
> >>>>   Wireless ND (WiND) can be applied on various abstractions of
> >>> wireless
> >>>>   media.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wirele
> >>>> ss
> >>>> /
> >>>>
> >>>> There is also an HTML version available at:
> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wireles
> >>>> s-
> >>>> 09.html
> >>>>
> >>>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> >>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-thubert-6man-ipv6-over-wirel
> >>>> es
> >>>> s-09
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
> >>> tools.ietf.org.
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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