Re: Limited Domains:
Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> Tue, 13 April 2021 00:21 UTC
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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:21:18 -0400
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Subject: Re: Limited Domains:
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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So I think we all agree that backwards compatibility is not possible and things would break with the restructuring of the flow label. On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > On 13-Apr-21 10:20, Tom Herbert wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 3:10 PM Brian E Carpenter > > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> On 13-Apr-21 08:52, Fred Baker wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Apr 12, 2021, at 1:51 PM, Brian E Carpenter < > brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> In other words, a redefined flow label could be used pairwise between > hosts that have determined that they are both members of a particular > limited domain. > >>> > >>> Which would eliminate the use of the flow label by systems that are > not part of that domain. > >> > >> No, it would create two sets of nodes: nodes using RFC6437 between > themselves, and nodes using some other interpretation of the flow label > between themselves. Ships in the night, really just like running IPX and > CLNP on the same network. We used to do that a lot. > > > > Brian, > > > > The problem is that there's no code point that discriminates between > > the different interpretations of the flow label. So in a limited > > domain the deployment of the new implementation must be perfect, lest > > there is at least one router that is inadvertently run with the legacy > > interpretation, then that router may process the flow label and ECMP > > per the standard leading to situations where packets of some flow are > > unexpectedly going over different paths. Since there's nothing in the > > packet that states what's happening, such problems can be really > > difficult to debug. > > I completely agree. I was thinking about how to code this safely, and > it's a mess, especially if you want routers to detect it at line speed. > > Brian > > > > > Tom > > > >> > >> I'm not advocating this, just pointing out that it's possible. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > >> ipv6@ietf.org > >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- <http://www.verizon.com/> *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com <gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com>* *M 301 502-1347*
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