RE: Late IPR Disclosure regarding draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark

Hi Fernando,
RFC 8799 was and will be an informative reference for draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark. It was not referred as a normative reference.
There are other examples in IETF of applications in controlled domains that refer to RFC 8799, see RFC 9197 which has just been published.
I think it is correct to mention RFC 8799 as a document to read as it is done in RFC 9197 as well.

Regards,

Giuseppe

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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> 
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To: Giuseppe Fioccola <giuseppe.fioccola@huawei.com>; Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Late IPR Disclosure regarding draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark

Hi, Giuseppe,

The reference is the symptom rather than the problem, so to speak.

i.e., if there's a need to normatively refer to "limited domains", the concept should be defined somewhere. However, it seems there hasn't been IETF consensus on the topic.

So if you remove the reference, you end up normatively referring to a concept that has never been actually formally defined. -- this might be an indication that e.g. the IETF should have taken on Brian's work on the topic.

Not sure how to proceed here...

Thanks,
Fernando

On 30/6/22 15:08, Giuseppe Fioccola wrote:
> Hi Fernando,
> Regarding your observation about the abstract, I just added that sentence in the last revision.
> Since it was suggested in an IESG review to only highlight the controlled domain requirement, I have no problem to omit the reference to RFC 8799 and keep the rest of the sentence in the abstract of the next version.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Giuseppe
> 
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> From: ipv6 <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Fernando Gont
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:07 PM
> To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: Late IPR Disclosure regarding 
> draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark
> 
> Hello, Bob,
> 
> I, for one, support returning the document to the wg for the work to be reconsidered. Otherwise it would seem to me we'd be implicitly encouraging late disclosures.
> 
> P.S.: Aside and orthogonal from my opinion above, I find it curious that the abstract of the document states "According to RFC 8799, the IPv6 application of the Alternate Marking Method can be deployed in a controlled environment", particularly when RFC8799 (as much as I may like and agree with it) does not represent IETF consensus.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fernando
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/6/22 13:45, Bob Hinden wrote:
>> It has come to our attention that an IRP disclosure was made on draft-ietf-6man-ipv6-alt-mark after the 6MAN w.g. working group and IETF last call ended. The history is:
>>
>> 6MAN W.G. Last call Started 20-Dec-2020 6MAN W.G. Last call Ended
>> 7-Mar-2021 IETF Last Call started 1-Jun-2021 IETF Last Call Ended
>> 15-Jun-2021 IPR Disclosure on 26-Nov-2021
>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5320/)
>>
>> We find it troublesome that this IPR disclosure was submitted so late, especially since one of the listed inventors is also an author of this draft.
>>
>> Consequently, we are starting a two week w.g. last call to determine if there is still a w.g. consensus to advance this document. Please respond to the list if you still support the advancement of this document to the IESG for Proposed Standard, or if you think it should be returned to the w.g. to be reconsidered.
>>
>> The last call will end on 14 July 2022.
>>
>> Bob, Jen
>>
>>
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