Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-deprecate-eui64-based-addresses-00
David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Wed, 27 November 2013 18:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-deprecate-eui64-based-addresses-00
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On 11/27/13, 11:04 , Brian Haberman wrote: > Tom, > > On 11/27/13 11:56 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: > >> It is clear that >> some network operators rely on EIU-64-based IPv6 addresses for >> administrative purposes, as a carry-over from IPv4, and do not at >> present wish to modify their procedures. >> > > Could you elaborate on the above? What procedures are they carrying > over from IPv4 WRT EUI-64-based addresses? I'm not sure if this is what Tom was referring too, but here is one example. Early in our IPv6 adoption we preferred EUI-64 addresses because we already tracked ports, MAC and IPv4 address associations for our entire network, and when EUI-64 addresses were used we didn't need any additional tracking. We knew were all MAC addresses were We knew we needed to add IPv6 address tracking to our management system regardless, but we could initially use EUI-64s without any additional tracking. I'll also note, that if there was a way for a network operator to control the IID type used for SLAAC we could have generally deployed IPv6 one to two years sooner. Without such a control we had to add full IPv6 tracking before we could generally deploy IPv6 to our network. We accomplished this before world IPv6 day, but we could have had IPv6 generally deployed at least one year and maybe even two years before world IPv6 day if we could have ensured use of EUI-64 with SLAAC. At the time DHCPv6 wasn't a practical solution, primarily because of MAC OSX's lack of support for DHCPv6 at the time. So, while I support Privacy Addresses in general they create their own set of challenges and can complicate IPv6 deployment in many environments. Frequently, network security requirements need rethinking when you use IPv6 privacy addresses. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but IPv6 deployment is frequently hampered or slowed by the amount of rethinking necessary. Thanks -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================
- 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-deprecate-e… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Erik Nordmark
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Jahangir Hossain
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Dan Luedtke
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Scott Brim
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Arturo Servin
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… David Farmer
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Alissa Cooper
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… t.petch
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Cutler James R
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tina TSOU
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Qiong
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Greg Daley
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tom Taylor
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Behcet Sarikaya
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Leaf Yeh
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… David Farmer
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… David Farmer
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tom Taylor
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tom Taylor
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Alexandru Petrescu