Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-deprecate-eui64-based-addresses-00
Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 21 November 2013 14:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-deprecate-eui64-based-addresses-00
From: Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>
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On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:16 AM 11/21/13, Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca> wrote: > Le 2013-11-21 09:11, Lorenzo Colitti a écrit : >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Simon Perreault >> <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca <mailto:simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>> wrote: >> >> And the chairs will ignore those objections since it has been made >> clear that the WG will be free to decide on that after the doc is >> adopted. MUST vs SHOULD is irrelevant for the adoption call. >> >> >> That's ridiculous. Of course the WG is free to decide on anything it >> wants inside the WG. But that doesn't mean we should adopt a document >> that says "we should deprecate the IPv6 header" just because "we can >> change the document once we adopt it". > > You're blowing what I said out of proportion. It's been made clear by our beloved AD that MUST vs SHOULD should not affect the adoption call. I'm just repeating the obvious. I don't think Brian wrote exactly "MUST vs SHOULD should not affect the adoption call". I think he wrote that s/MUST/SHOULD/ can be discussed by the WG after adoption, and those expressing an opinion on the adoption call should keep that fact in mind. The chairs can then consider the objecting opinions and decide if those objections are addressed by Brian's observation, and that "rough consensus" can be declared in favor of adoption. In my personal opinion the effect of s/MUST/SHOULD/ is important enough in its impact on existing standards like 6LoWPAN header compression that I object to publishing the document as a WG work item until the change is made. The chairs will evaluate that objection as part of their determination of "rough consensus". - Ralph > > Simon > -- > DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca > NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca > STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
- 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-deprecate-e… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Erik Nordmark
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Jahangir Hossain
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Dan Luedtke
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Scott Brim
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Roger Jørgensen
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Arturo Servin
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… David Farmer
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Ralph Droms
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Simon Perreault
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Alissa Cooper
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… t.petch
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tim Chown
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Jean-Michel Combes
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Cutler James R
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tina TSOU
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Qiong
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Greg Daley
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tom Taylor
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Behcet Sarikaya
- RE: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Leaf Yeh
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… David Farmer
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… David Farmer
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tom Taylor
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Tom Taylor
- Re: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-gont-6man-depreca… Alexandru Petrescu